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Dennis Battler's avatar

From an HIV+ person who doesn’t fit your profile or the one constructed by corporate “Healthcare”; coming face to face with the fallacies and brutal attitudes constructing the HIV narrative doesn’t stop.

Yes, this graphic is condescending as is most information offered on HIV. I’ve gotten enraged time and again when asked formula questions by health care providers and by surveys aimed at a believed type of person engaged in indulgent high-risk behaviour of excessive drugs and sex. This is not me AND I am HIV+. Another anomaly with life.

Given this condescending attitude is based in this indelible belief - as you’ve stated and concur with in your book and here on substack - of indulgent high-risk behaviour, of excessive drug use and sex, it isn’t surprising to find an underlying attitude of condescension.

And to the point of; “getting to and staying undetectable” is more important than anything else, and serious adverse events are to be tolerated (and on some occasions, covered up)."

Is also drug propaganda again proven by personal experience. Shifting from undetectable to detectable has been a roller coaster and continues to be. Confronting health service providers by telling them their continued chanting of this Holy Grail is an added pressure to be undetectable is responded with a complete U-turn to “not be bothered” by being detectable when its a matter of barely there markers - even though the last blood test the markers are rising while following the fine eight stars as common sense and very much my way of life, eating healthy, exercise, zero drugs or alcohol (and sex for that matter) ... a lifelong habit. The inside world of HIV and detectable is a very different story than this illustration you've referenced portrays. The one told by Virology specialists and by my doctor admits in person to be undetectable is not as usual as we are led to believe. Surprise! Another non-existent Utopia avocated by the un Health Industry.

The whole HIV bag of tricks is running well outside my tolerance. Going off medication completely is the next move under consideration. With the last 3years proving the irrationality of human beings and desire to be told what to do and what to believe, there is little intelligent life to engage with or worth the effort to socially do the right thing for social conscience. That effort has left the building. Doing what is right for me is becoming easier and more attractive.

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Marilyn Langlois's avatar

Thank you for sharing your experiences. If you do decide to go off your medications completely and simply ignore any HIV test results and not take any more tests, my hunch is that you'll be just fine and feel much better, and you'll also be serving the social conscience by setting an example of critical thinking. Please keep us posted!

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Dennis Battler's avatar

thanks Marilyn ... best way to keep up may be to subscribe to my substack :)

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X man's avatar

How and replace the treatment with what, will that not be detrimental to his health?

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Dennis Battler's avatar

This is the crux of all big pharma endeavours; to compromise our health through numerous tactics including bio-weapons as the introduction of HIV into the populus is believed to be. To then sell us back our health through toxic and expensive drugs.

Toxicity of pharma-drugs has personally been experienced by one medication that compromised brain function - a small number of people is affected this way, of the drug limiting oxygen intake to the brain. Oxygen is carried to the brain through our blood and is critical to brain function.

It took 2years of standing up to my doctor and convincing him it was the medication. 2years of hell both in compromised brain function and encountering the medical fascists hell-bent on their theories.

The best words I've heard were from my doctor; "You were right" he finally confessed after all the shenanigans of unnecessary tests ruled out his theory while I suffered. I heard those words again from him - proving we need to be our own doctors, connected to our body and listening to its messages.

The alopathic medical profession is good with emergency treatment - yet we are not allowed to know how often and for what Hospitals are sued for malpractice.

In an interview on his website, Robert Kennedy Jr. tells the tale of fighting companies polluting a major American river, their (paid off) scientists offering testimony the companies were not polluting. RFK Jr.'s scientists offered testimony th companies WERE polluting the river. He won the case, the polluting stopped and the river returned to life. The point of this story? Government and the alopathic medical industry is corrupt and cannot be used as guides to one's health or the health of the planet.

To your other comment re drugs keeping me alive - its not straightforward. As is the point to this subtstack by Rebecca Culshaw Smith and in her book. IF I had not resisted my doctor and continued taking the debilitating drug (as happens with many people who put their trust in their doctor) what state would I be in, if alive?

If you are not HIV+ and have no experience with adverse drug reaction and no experience fighting the medical system, your comment occurs as preaching from an unqualified place. Prisoners are alive in the penal system, is that living?

A lifetime rooted in emotional abuse includes abuse by the medical system, a mirror of family authority-abuse. Emotional abuse is endemic to society - being well-adjusted to a sick society is not being well-adjusted, its being thoroughly indoctinated into systemic servitude.

... I could go on.

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X man's avatar

Go on brother, I think it's more educational to hear from a person who has experience both "life with treatment and life without treatment I'm not passing any judgement I just express my self with what is out there mainstream narrative

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

I'm reading this after making my comments to your original comment.

Seems our outlook on the external dynamics within 'sick' society, 'the penal system' match. Ditto re the scale of emotional abuse...and often in tandem with sexual abuse methinks. (only the tip of the mountain talked of).

Sounds like you really ran the gauntlet (experience of symptoms and disagreement with your dr) with your side/direct effects of the ARV's.

oh so hard to challenge eh...but as you say, what of outcome if you hadn't resisted your dr?

How is your health generally now? I am curious as to what you are thinking your next steps are to be...because to come off the ARV's, if believing in HIV as a real and threatening entity within you, is fragile ground for what in your mind is inevitably going to be akin to going 'cold turkey'?

Me coming off my ARV and getting some kind of deviation from my current state of (good) health would me thinking that my system is in adjustment process to the absence of the daily toxic load.

However trying to put myself in your boots (if that is ok with you) if you get deviation from your current health whilst in process of withdrawal from ARV intake, might you be thinking....'oh dear the HIV is multiplying'...that would be your take on it...and that would be scarey according to having the perception of HIV as a threatening invisible virus in you.

Anyway, dont mind me...I havent ever had/taken the opportunity to discuss this 'my privately internally sequestered' stuff before...so if we can help each other move on and beyond the cosh of HIV/AIDS mentality eh....

...I have gone on!

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

Hi Denise...with a wish to be some little intelligent life making comment, here i go...!

From a "HIV +" person, I am unique... as all of us been ensnared in the meat grinder, are. We all have our own sorry story of disbelief and confusion as to how we got to be where we are in our lives.

"Subtle condescension and coercion" has to be a necessary tool in the playbook, as everyone, in whatever role, (from clinic receptionists, to doctors, to lab techs, to aids activists) whatever cog in the machine, helping manifest the HIV/AIDS Industry, are acting in BAD FAITH.

It is an impossible task to cohesively respond to your comments, only but to empathise with your caged "HIV" state, and to tell how i am prising open the bars...in the process of liberating myself, and holding desire to help fellow caged humans.

hmnn, reading your last paragraph again i get the feeling you actually believe the mainstream 'covid' narrative, and therefore you are still believing the HIV/AIDs narrative too? So that changes the tack i was going to take a bit, as i never believed the 'covid' narrative from the get-go, and that spurred me on to flesh out my real thoughts about HIV... and doing some decent research realised it is equally a scam narrative.

So for me, "doing what is right for me is becoming easier and more attractive" too!

Just that I am following a truth-induced urge, whereas it seems more-so you are caught up in the lies, and are reacting with frustration and sense of 'this is beyond the pail' (the way you deem other people to not be exercising social conscience...being selfish i suppose you think?)

Also 'beyond the pail' for you is the way the Industry works, the new manifestations of HIV trickery that have to periodically appear to keep the idea of the cleverness of human endeavour to overcome an evolving biological process that insidiously impinges upon the human organism blighted by HIV+ tests.

I feel thoroughly mocked by the forces that be who singled me out to castigate, and send out into the wilderness of "HIV+ diagnosis". (maybe it was due to the fact that, like you, I have always had a strong social conscience?..so evil/Wetiko does not like us ).

The first thing is to decide that viruses dont exist, or at least to concur with Rebecca and others, that if HIV IS a thing, then it certainly is NOT what we have ever been told it IS. Perish that thought.... and banish all their poxy tests...CD4&8's, viral load, Elisa, blah blah as being misleading and not being relevant in determining your health status. Of course they show "something" as 'markers'...but for me i now do not have blood tests....as the HIV test paradigm is so impregnated in my consciousness...i just have to avoid any spurious numbers loosely attached to me being ill/ at risk of illness or not! Poppycock the lot of it. It is a mindf_ _k. (and i dont swear often)

The only way to be liberated from HIV diagnosis is to detach from the whole conceptual framework of HIV/AIDs.

I am work in progress, and although i dont view my Atripla tablet as having anything to do with "keeping my HIV at bay", but rather that it is my daily bit of self-induced toxicity giving my system a workout...I continue to take it for now. (13 years on it my body has adapted to it...how ?...i kind of keep taking it as it 'cocks a snook' at the AIDS establishment...though i do have a concern as to how to wean off it...thus it has a control over me...and of course it might be giving me insidious internal damage, but also it might be having some 'protective' function as well!... who knows!?).

(It goes to show how we get screwed up by this whole HIV/AIDs edifice...in fact the whole Medical/Pharmaceutical Complex inflicted upon us).

What I have to do is to serve notice on the STD clinic who supervise my care (sic). I need to go in and call them out...individually. Avoidance (instigated from time of lockdowns)cant go on forever...i have to present myself plainly...and put on the Armour of Conviction and engage.

For sure these individuals who in role of drs and nurses know in their hearts that what they dedicate their time and energy (and perceived love) to, is but B/S to greater or smaller degree.

Not adding up, cognitive dissonance....but they are too wedded of identity to the whole shebang, along they go with it....

So Denise Battler where are you with all this?

If to shed this veil of dark intent?.... which is but to knock us off keel, keep us worried, keep us separated from others (another facet of divide and rule), keep us with a societal 'taint', hold us back. We need to unleash and see through the deceit. It is monstrous is it not.

We have been given a thorough impulse to see clearer exactly how the world works....so spiritually I think all this for me was meant to be....

Best Wishes

lots of love

Steve

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

Ha, sorry Dennis, I have been calling you Denise!

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X man's avatar

"Not as usual as we are lead to believe?" Arethe drugs not doing what they supposed to do prolong your life?

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Martin Barnes's avatar

No. They just make you sick.

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X man's avatar

But Martin I've seen people very sick who then test positive and get on treatment then bounce back to life

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

Hi Xman...do not underestimate the shock of a HIV diagnosis....and the degree to which the terrible threat to life that resonates in every sinew of body gets soothe from being told that there are drugs that will keep away the otherwise inevitable decline into the ravages of AIDS!

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TheOriginalFred's avatar

Looks like some folks need to quickly become #Undoctored

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Ammiel Alcalay's avatar

I'm reminded of when I've done a lot of drywall work & the 5 gallon bucket of joint compound has the graphic of the baby falling into the bucket & drowning. The usual drill of condescension & infantilization but the "retain in care" harkens more to Kafka or some kind of Gulag-like analogy. Thanks for pointing this graphic out...

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les online's avatar

MOST people STILL believe the HIV-AIDS story after all the years since "The Pandemic" - those doing their best to expose the .covid' pandemic psyop take note...

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X man's avatar

I personally don't know what to or not to believe iive seen people die from this, I've seen people live more than 20 years without any drug

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Dennis Battler's avatar

you are safe to NOT believe big pharma or Government - they are corrupted beyond their purpose, they now serve money and power. Not the interests of the average person.

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X man's avatar

Dennis what about deaths due this write something on your subtract to share and inform

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

Keep researching X man.

One thing to help is getting a real sense that every individual has their absolutely unique state of health, and current deviation from optimal health. So 'deaths due (to)' cannot be truly ascertained. A dr or coroner might come up with their idea of cause of death, but what do they know of all the factors which led to the critical moment when the body packed up! (Jon Rappoport has a good article he wrote re 'covid' deaths each having their own personal story of specific unique illness and demise....or same for anyone saying ' i had covid'!)

We are under assault from so many actual toxins in the environment (and how we let ourselves get stressed...you are stressed in the way you are in conflict about what HIV is or isnt!).

All we can do is try and maximise health through wise lifestyle practice, and not worry about what the medical industry try and get us to worry about!

Get our thoughts and feelings well aligned....and 'there but for the Grace of God go I'!

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

to add to other comment....you have seen people die from this ... AND that, or the other...unique to themselves...sum total of their experience from conception cumulating in final demise this time around. What do you actually think about those people living for more than 20years (post 'HIV' diagnosis i guess you mean) without any drug? Their life went on as it had been, because the diagnosis had diagnosed zilch? The markers had not left their mark (of the beast?)....they circumvented it all pychologically. Good on them not succumbing like i did!

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Christoph.'s avatar

It is interesting, the 'don't smoke or use drugs' bubble, there's essentially zero emphasis put on the usage of drugs in the LGBT community, especially with poppers. Poppers are tacitly approved of in a 'sins of omission' kind of way by the medical and scientific community, and I've spoken with guys who said they believed the government had 'okayed' them as being safe. Toxicology is the reason for the original AIDS cases (prior to AZT coming onto the scene).

Also, 'health care provider' is such a strange phrase, it implies that your health is something that comes from a pharmaceutical.

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X man's avatar

I nedd to learn how you came to that conclusion not believe HIV =Aids =death like Les online suggest anyone can engage

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X man's avatar

Some one please educate me here from the author it seems like the problem is the treatment? Why is that is the treatment not leading to undetectable which means no transmission therefore lead to end of this problematic virus, unfortunately I haven't read the book by the Author as I can't afford but she seem convinced that HIV /Aids this is not real

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Digging in, Reaching out's avatar

Rebecca's 'service' to society is her focus, a giving of concerted attention to the way data is manipulated to give false impressions that treatment offered is necessary, and actually has impact on this concept of HIV. So the problem she identifies is that there isn't fact and logic, and proven efficacy, supporting use of these HIV ('prophalactic and treatment') drugs. (and in fact they are harmful)

If a significant number of people got their heads around the fallacies of it all then the HIV/AIDs Industry would become moribund and die

[Apologies Rebecca if i have not represented you well....]

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