Nobel Price winner Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR-test) in 1996:
"You know, if a postdoc were to write a review of their literature that showed without much doubt that HIV was the cause of AIDS, that guy would be famous. Now, there's 100,000 guys out there who had the opportunity. It's 10 years has passed. We've been waiting for this star postdoctoral fellow to distinguish himself forever and get a lifelong grant from Tony Fauci, but he hasn't shown up. No one has bothered to write a definitive review.
Any journal would take it. That right there proves that HIV does not cause AIDS by induction.
Then what have we seen the photograph and the photograph? Have we photographed AIDS? Do we have AIDS in a test tube? Because if we haven't proven HIV causes AIDS, then can we show that what we're calling HIV is an actual organism? Nobody has actually purified HIV. There's no little bottle of HIV anywhere on the planet that's just got HIV in it. They have cell lines that they think that is growing in. There are a lot of people who think it's not even there at all. But I mean, I wouldn't doubt that it's there. I think anything you can imagine is there somewhere."
From "Kary Mullis FULL interview with Gary Null - 1996"
It doesn't seem to be the case that the human race can stop living submerged in fictions and fully embrace reality. Fictions are still useful, at least for power.
Remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The sentence "VIRUS-SO-AND-SO hasn't been proven to exist" is not a complete argument. Although it is true, as proven by the wonderful work of Christine Massey, and everyone in the world owes a debt of gratitude to this woman for her patience and her courage.
Is there a definitive argument? Probably not, because the whole thing is a multigenerational scam. There are many layers of emotions that protect the lie.
How close can we get to proving this claim, beyond any reasonable objection?
In practical terms, showing repeatedly that the studies to prove contagiousness or pathogenicity are flawed is very useful.
Also, it's good to repeat the impossibility to isolate anything, which is admitted by all microbiologists when admit that it can only be done by "cell culture," a highly dubious practice that belongs more to the world of a Circus than to the world of science.
But this has to be done in style. When offered a counterargument, it's better to avoid ad hominem fallacies (any variant) and straw man fallacies. And realize that it's possible that the sophist you are talking to will force your to use fallacies against him. One very common trick by experts is this one: the sophist will tweak his own argument if you focus on his argument and then accuse you of strawmanning his argument, throw a tantrum and leave the debate accusing you of being a flat-earther. Which is poor form, but sophists, like trolls, do not care about poor form.
Last, the problem of replication. This is tricky. Some people make the mistake of using a flawed definition of "science" that includes the idea that replicability is necessary for an experiment to be considered a valid scientific experiment. In the very restrictive modern view of the scientific method, only falsifiability is necessary. (And this is problematic too, but let's not go there yet.) This is because scientists can replicate errors too. And then they mislead themselves with too many errors being perfectly identical to each other, so the original experiment and its interpretation must be true. Jump to conclusion. Replication is a very good sign, at best. And the lack of replication is also a good sign: something is wrong, either in the new experiment or in the original experiment. For our topic, it's good to show that the original experiments cannot be replicated, or that if they are replicating something false. We have to emphasize the flaws and the problems with the interpretation. And not all opponents are open to that. There is contumacy in scientists.
All this is too much work. Long and arid dissertations to prove the errors of our opponents. Many of whom are perfectly aware of the problems, and they don't care, because they have their own strategy against the tyranny. Which is likely to fail, sadly.
I recommend to study Popper and his critics. David Stove in particular. The main problem of all natural sciences since the 1940s is that they have been thoroughly corrupted and possessed by the evil spirit of politics. There's been very little science, and too much propaganda.
I think I heard David Rasnick explaining his opinion that science is more like art and engineering is more like an industrial process, and the problem is that scientists and doctors are being used as engineers, and instructed to study things and answer to questions like engineers. And that's why science is stuck. There is no room for nuance, for honest discussion, for different lines of research.
I agree with you but couldn't have put it more succinctly. I would add that as a woman of seventy with four children and nine grandchildren, so many experiences don't add up to the "facts" as presented to us. It requires bravery and courage to go the path less travelled. Or even to live in the parallel universe that I seem to live in.
I have one technical objection: there is no such thing as 'natural science'. That's a tautology! Science is the study of nature. That's the definition. :-)
I respectfully disagree, but I'm not going to enter into that jungle here, as I've already written too much.
There are far too many definitions of science, and I'm not narcissistic enough to write a new one.
I just think that the term "natural sciences" in the context I used the other day in the comment above simply refers to the kind of work that people used to be happy to do, but not anymore. That explains my angle in all that.
People rarely think in all that has been lost to political interests.
Why do you think the entire Sino and Hindu-sphere have taken over this so-called "science" in America, and American universities? It's very very visible where I live, and very disturbing, because so many of these people have been "imported" since, say, 2000, 9/11, actually, but stepped up greatly since 2020. I wonder if this importation has been intentionally done, by hidden-hand elites, so that they can keep dolling out their toxins and occult poisons engineered by obedient peoples whose love of (worship of) numeracy and love of material gain/material status (to please domineering parents/ancestors) outweighs their belief in anything higher.
In western countries there are very smart individuals, who quickly get invited to Asian countries, where the industry is.
Regardless of how good of a student a peson is, if they end up in administration or in legislation... then they're not that smart.
The dynamic of inventors moving from one empire to the projected next empire is a historical pattern. Scientists are slow-movers. They have to be kidnapped, basically. Since 1945 or so, scientific development has been discouraged, throttled down. Ideas are an obstacle for politicians. Perhaps that explains the "racial" replacement: they want scientists who obey the rules and stick to the eugenics plan.
If viruses don't exist (and I'm not saying I know either way) then what's a flu? What's a cold? What's herpes? Something has to cause these illnesses. My opinion is that we should not necessarily resort to medical templates when dealing with diseases, regardless of what causes them.
Here's a question: who denies that bacteria exist? I am 99.99% certain that they do. So, if they exist, then other types of microbe can exist.
I have had experience with homeopathy last year - the first time ever. And I found it effective. So to me, the solution is more important than the problem. Although at the end of the day, I do want to know what causes what physiological condition. So, I do want to know whether viruses exist.
Watch Dr. Sam Bailey's videos (website) and you ll seek your answers. Spoiler alert:people get sick but it's a detoxification process and there are no viruses!
Am tending to agree with you more and more. Glad for the internet in that we can get so much info on things. Just have to keep ourselves as aware as we can of the lies that are also out there just as much, likely more.
IMHO HIV has not been shown to exist in a way that it can be identified consistently in isolation. Hence the two-test-contra to diagnose an individual.
Feel that we should throw everything to date away and start again!
The absolute propaganda surrounding this issue is as hard to believe as the ‘safe and effective’ crap around the jabs. But the vested interests do appear to be floating to the top making it harder to ignore the obvious con. If only there were investigators like the OxyContin team to bring the truth home so that it cannot be denied or ignored.
There is no such thing as a virus. Please take a look att all those well educated people that doesn´t find a single proof of any virus´existence, Why should anyone believe in this virus-nonsense? Wake up! Educate yourself and live a more healthy life without fear of bullshit.
Totally agree! Many are waking up now as on the back of the fake pandemic, they are trying to bring in other nonsense. Getting ridiculous here in the UK..
I want to know what in the world “HIV” really is.?? Anybody. Some smart people say hiv doesn’t exist no existence of a virus. Some people say it exist and causes aids. Now with Covid vaccines they say it causes vaids. If people with long covid can get better with different type of therapies, can hiv/aids people get better with the same therapies?
There is no reason to think there is a pathogen called HIV. Your book does much to prove this. Henry Bauer's book, The origin, persistence and failings of HIV/AIDS theory, goes even further.
Even Duesberg's book Inventing the AIDS Virus proves that you don't need to consider a pathogen to understand the causes of AIDS, even though he never declared that HIV was BS.
I can only go by what Montagnier said. 'LAV/BRU' was a dud. IDAV/LAI was a livewire but only becuase it was contaminated by mycoplasma. Any mycoplasma contamination should render any experiment invalid. Contaminated IDAV/LAI then contaminated LAV/BRU which became 'active' and labelled M2T-/B. M2T-/B became HTLVIII-B which became HIV-1. https://www.nature.com/articles/363466a0
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I have a constantly changing attitude of open exploration going on. It is not a 'mind' exercise alone, it is experiential. HIV, and AIDS, are stories created with malign intent. The narrative fearfully implanted in us is false. There is no such thing as HIV as explained by the authorities, and AIDS has been conveniently tagged on as a wide syndrome (catch-all) of physical symptoms (classed as 'opportunistic infections due low immunity caused by HIV) which can be experienced, in whatever manifestation, by anyone. But of course personal illness is unique to the individual according to their own make-up and lifestyle and exposure to toxins, and the current healthiness of their 'maintenance and repair' mechanisms.
I am in the front-line of determination of what is true and false as I got labelled HIV in 2010, and believed in the testing enough to commence taking Atripla ARV'S for a solid 13years until I reduced dosage slowly.... and took my last tablet on Xmas day 2023.
By that time I had had nearly 4 years of researching the truth of 'covid' ,'HIV' and of generally coming to be looking askance at the notion of viruses. I was convinced enough that I had been screwed over by the HIV Industry/Big pHARMa/those behind a global agenda ( the satanic bunch of weasels).
The thing is, I am currently very ill. My gut is severely disturbed, I am bleeding, I am anaemic and dehydrated, I am weak, depleted. Hey, it looks like (for those who believe in HIV/AIDS) I am good material to use as confirmation of their belief, and how stupid I was to have abandoned the 'life-saving' ARV's!
I am following various protocols, my very own lifestyle regime, (keeping allopathic NHS system at a distance, just availing of their services on an ad hoc basis...eg. getting free blood tests)... taking charge to get myself back on track healthy.
I dont believe in the 'thing' HIV as promoted, but I do wonder how the ARV's have harmed me... and now am I experiencing their legacy ?...as their suppressive effect has been lifted off.
One of their purported mechanisms of action is to interfere with reverse-transcriptease of the thing 'HIV' as a retro-virus...which to my limited understanding seems to constitute an interference with my DNA make-up per se. So I hold in the back of my mind a possible deeper consequence post-ARV's sequela...which is in the mix of causation of my suddenly getting so acutely ill like this from 6 weeks
ago.
The fact is that blood tests 2 months after ceasing ARV intake showed that the overall my organ/systems (kidney, liver , thyroid functions etc) were 'normal' enough, but, my blood amount and quality was lacking. 2 months after that I had extensive dental treatment (including removal of 5 mercury amalgam fillings), followed by surgery, (removal of tooth, and scraping of bone cavitations) and unfortunate break of sinus membrane causing me to get sinusitis. The trauma of this has kept me feeling below par ever since.
Dont want to bore with all these details, but real physical trauma I have undergone since stopping the ARV's. The other thing in the equation is my past history of acute ulcerative colitis over 7 years or so, which I cleared, and have not had symptoms of for over 30years.
My current bowel symptoms dont correspond to the one's I had then....but my bowel is my weak spot.
So, I give all these details as context. I am in the midst of a health challenge, and I am wishing to convey the nuance of my dealing with it when I lived with psychological imprint and participated in the 'HIV' club given I was contaminated with 'HIV', and I have insidious unknown effects of the ARV'S
I cannot completely dispel that 'HIV' is SOMEthing, but whatever it might it is not known to humans, or maybe only to a few of the malevolent kind. ( like the ones who came up with the idea to distract us by saying/pretending there is 'HIV' in the covid jabs).
This might be a bit of a ramble, but as regards the poll I am going through process which involves a constant evolution my own 'other' take on HIV/AIDs, next level beyond generally being tidy and saying 'it' doesnt exist. It is all much more complex, and I think biology, and how the body works, has severe shortfall of understanding. Truth is so evasive...we can but try our best to understand and find pathway to optimal health regardless of all the obstacled.
I "have HIV". It was on and off again with meds... I didn't want to be on meds, and I doubted the story of HIV, and Viruses in general... This last round of meds, I quit because COVID reared it's ugly head and showed how stoopid the medical world was... However, I got Cryptococcal Meningitis, due to my T-Cells being non existent. Where did they go? They claim "HIV ate them" (LOL)... When you're sick it's a whole different story. I still think HIV and Viruses are a fiction, and there's other explanations for illnesses, but I'm too poor to experiment with alternative ideas, or pay for an alternative practitioner. So I stepped back and I just take their pills. I'm not sure it's helping me, but they say "the numbers" are good, and the Cryptococcal Meningitis is improving. I sure wish I could NOT feel like shit all the time. If HIV does not exist, then WHAT ERASED MY T-CELLS?
This coming January will be 35 years for me. I’ve had the distinct honor of taking faucis life saving AZT, but I had that figured out in under a month. I’ve pretty much did most of the “ legacy” meds during the 90’s and was able to figure those out as well. But in ‘91 a friend of mine told me that the hiv “ virus “ ( I still believed in that term then) was the only “ virus “ that changes its protein shell every 15 minutes and I found that to be rather odd and it’s always been at the back of my mind ever since.
And they STILL can’t get the origin story straight, first it was patient “ zero “ ( a misnomer) and then it was the Central Africans ( notice how all new diseases seem to start there) and they got it from eating infected monkey meat. Now, I’m not saying it’s their National dish they eat daily, but they’ve been eating monkey meat ( bush meat) for perhaps thousands of years, and if in fact it came from monkeys, #1 - they would’ve been dead a long time ago, #2 - they would have developed a natural immunity to it by now, or #3 - word on the street would’ve been to not eat it. They may be “ primitive “ by our standards , but they’re not stupid. And then there’s the case of the Belgian scientist in the Congo in the 60’s who said he didn’t use chimpanzees as his source for his works, but there’s photographic proof that he used 100’s of them ( see the YouTube video The Origins of Aids). And it’s funny how the first cases recorded were in ‘78 in manhattan and LA and SF, but the first cases in Africa weren’t found till around’82.
And according to Wikipedia, the map they show of its spread went from Africa to the Caribbean and entered the US from the south, and while the south does have a high concentration of hiv cases, again, it was discovered in the 3 cities that I just mentioned first. Then there’s the case of a US soldier who died of a mysterious illness in the late 50’s/early 60’s ( I think that’s when) so they froze him and then not to long ago thawed him out and now HE had it. And last year I had the “ news” on in the background and they said a 9 year old boy in ‘78 had it. Then just recently they said it mostly likely “ jumped species” sometime in the 30’s…………
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I now do agree with the theory that this was given to us by the hepatitis B vaccines here in the states and via the smallpox vaccines for the Africans. It seems to coincide with its appearance, and I’ve never believed in coincidence. And I also agree with the other posters, we still have yet to see an actual photo of hiv, or any other “virus “. And I’m also starting to question if I even have hiv or not, there’s a theory that it may well be a highly adaptable parasite? But either way, I’m highly suspect. They keep telling us about the “ race for the cure”, there are now 112 meds on the market- looks like they’re in a real hurry doesn’t it? I also now believe that hiv was merely the “ warm up act” and we are now at the “ main event “ if you will, meaning scaring the shit out of us to get us to take their toxic shit.
I’ve been fortunate and I didn’t get the “ flu” upon my initial infection and I’ve never had an “ aids related” sickness, in fact, the only time I’ve ever been sick is from the meds. In 97/98 faucis replacement at the nih “ dr” Jeanne marrazzo was my hiv doctor here in Seattle, at first she was great, excellent bedside manner etc, but in 98 I was placed on nelfinavir ( draino for humans, it will clear your pipes on both ends - simultaneously) but I couldn’t keep anything down or in for that matter so she told me to go on the BRAT diet ( bananas, rice, apples and toast) and they only thing that I saw of any nutritional value was the banana, I told her that’s not quality of life and Im supposed to live off this for the rest of my life? I wanted something else, she told me to keep taking them, I said no, she said you HAVE to keep taking them, again I said no, she then got irritated and said you CANNOT STOP TAKING THEM!! So I said if these pills are so damned good then YOU fucking take them and I hung up on her. At my next appointment I saw her there in the background, but needless to say, I had a new doctor LOL. And now that she’s in charge of the nih, I think we might be in for some trouble……
Personally, I would completely avoid any hiv shot, I’ve heard from a few other survivors that there’s AZT in them (?) but my main avoidance is from the fact that the “ shots” are made by using crisper technology, and that’s what is used by Ba’al gates to make the lettuce and tomatoes produce his mRNA shit for the “ vaccine hesitant “.
I have recently walked away from western “ medicine “ as of this year due to being refused medical treatment ( I got the 2 murderna shots) and got sick of hearing “ I don’t know “ so I’m taking matters into my own hands ( again) and have been having great success without the white coat cartel , I actually found a lot of good information here on Substack from doctors and nurses who dare buck the system . I empathize with you with your meningitis, that has to be rough. While I’m not claiming that I can cure you, but if you want, I can pass along some information to you that’s actually helped me out. I’ve subscribed to you, so send me a private message if you’d like.
Stay strong, we WILL get through this one way or another.
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Watch the extensive 3 part series of Dr. Sam Bailey, the blond haired woman doctor. You will see that your T cells have nothing to do with HIV because nothing can depleat them. Especially a non existent virus like HIV. The pills will destroy your liver, kidneys and bones. Watch Dr Sam Bailey on Odysee or her website.
There's a whole bunch of so-called autoimmune diseases that manifest as discrepancies in T-cell dynamics.
Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors and typically declared to be 'highly specific', but in reality the naturally-occurring nucleosides are intrinsic to just about every biochemical reaction in the body.
So there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain T-cell problems and there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain how such medicines are effective in restoring T-cell numbers.
Look into the book The One Minute Cure (think you can find an audio version/pdf? you can listen to online).
Also, maybe watch a few Dr Morse videos on morsestv.com. He encourages eating fruit heal us, balance our lymph system and other things. Bless you, man.
Viruses are "identified" by contaminating samples. The nonsense that there are these things that are pathogenic to some and harmless to others is the work of virologists who cannot admit that the paradigm under which they operate is a fraud *COUGHDuesbergCOUGH*. You need only look to the Perth Group to understand this.
Unsure at the moment. Leaning towards harmless passenger virus. What I do know is that humans seem to allow themselves to be manipulated by authorities and that we appear to be in a movement towards deliberately reducing human lifespan and procreation.
So much to say as a person WITH experience of HIV - as its been labelled, and thus treated.
Now poll the HIV-does-not-exist crowd for number within the group who are diagnosed as having HIV. My guess is 0.
Preferring facts over polls - the domain of adolescent females (fact: a particularly cruel sorority decreeing who is “in” and who is “out” polling opinion typically serves a preconceived agenda, and is worded accordingly. But you know that.
Opinion being the lowest form of consciousness, polling opinion at best gains a read on public perception, today skewed heavily by AI/ online and more current algorithms designed to implant desired corporatocracy’s agenda.
For those of the HIV does not exist group, please supply the cause of sudden illness to death of millions in the early days of this “situation.”
Then please, in your express wisdom, supply the cause of personal experience, of 35lb weight loss; muscle loss; excess anxiety; and loss of well-exercised patience, being described as “having the patience of Job.”
Poll proposal for knowledge on HIV -
Test Awareness of HIV
… answer Yes or No / True or False
HIV was studied and manufactured by American Health Institute/s under the direction of Anthony Fauci.
HIV was administered clandestinely by American Health Institute/s as a component of Hepatitis Vaccine heavily pushed to the Gay community.
The Hepatitis Vaccine targeted the Gay community was testing for producing intended illness and death effectiveness - as part of the virology-bio-weapon program.
The Gay community was chosen as the target group because no one would object or be concerned of illness and death of this group.
Pro and con HIV virus observer groups adhere to “lifestyle (i.e. drug use) as causation.
*(Leaving unexplained the numbers in the “HIV+” group who do not use drugs. Regardless the “lifestyle as causation” theorists persist.)
Through reliable knowledge, Virus deniers ( while first-person removed) are able to explain the source of HIV associated disease/ ailments.
Read the refutation scientific paper of Eleni Papadopoulos Eleopoulos:HIV a virus like no other, that refutes Luc Montagnier's 1st isolation paper of HIV. He never isolated anything and all the HIV test and confirmatory Western blot tests are based on his paper. Which means: based on what virus do those test react to? Well, the HIV tests react to 70 different conditions. Even if a woman gets pregnant, the test gets positive. The are no viruses ever proven to exist. No isolation ever happened. Stop with copypasting the Rockefeller medical course materials. We don't fear the lies. Enough of this nonsense.
There's a whole bunch of so-called autoimmune diseases that manifest as discrepancies in T-cell dynamics.
Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors and typically declared to be 'highly specific', but in reality the naturally-occurring nucleosides are intrinsic to just about every biochemical reaction in the body.
So there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain T-cell problems and there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain how such medicines are effective in restoring T-cell numbers.
“So-called autoimmune diseases” implies they are not that. The person suffering the associated symptoms of a categorised “disease”, are not unfortunately, so-called symptoms, they are real causing misery, pain, suffering and death. More than readable data these are real life undebatable facts.
Propagating the virus/ no-virus debate without presenting the real cause of the “discrepancies” occurs to those affected by the presence of the discrepancy/s (quaint word) as a luxury for the entitled and unaffected, lacking personal experience with the manifestations of life altering “discrepancies.” Debating validity of the label “virus” as the source cause for the T-cell dynamic discrepancies is a tempest in a teacup - granted a large teacup, in need of skilled tea leaf readers. Greater attention to correctly identify causation would be welcome to interrupt the distraction of debating virus / no-virus and lead to a productive outcome of healing “discrepancies” and interrupting the nefarious and invisible (now becoming visible) cause - global de-population programs instigated by those in power, unseen.
Known cause, now touted as viral, is the billion dollar word alive in every person’s consciousness, as designed by government and drug cartels, the inventors of disease agents with which to infect the population. Linking directly to then market the savour-solution as the known effective treatment. which brings us back to your statement:
“Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors …”
Make No Mistake -
Manifesting symptoms of disease - autoimmune or others - has a cause, which is mostly a manufactured narrative. The term virus is a useful marketing tool aligned with cause in the public psyche to be exploited, Capriciously planted to dominate and control the fear-narrative to elicit the intended behaviour; relinquish personal autonomy to those dominating and controlling our lives, currently an unprecedented and relentless power play by those manipulating our governments.
This writer provides extensive background information to the origins of our psychopathological cultures wreaking the havoc we experience daily. Delivered by those in control of institutions and government.
1) I say "autoimmune" for lack of a better term, although losing T-cells is pretty much an autoimmune problem even though the so-called HIV syndrome is not usually referred to as such. Maybe that's because "autoimmune diseases" are typically considered by default to be idiopathic.
2) Indeed saying "discrepancy" was a mistake, I was thinking of "dyscrasia".
3) The no-virus folks are so singularly focused it could almost seem as if by by design: just say "meth & poppers" and go back to sleep.
A test is not a personal experience. The refutation is from a worldwide known biologist doctor, Eleni Papadopoulos. Additionally, I have read Luc Montagnier paper, he never isolated HIV. I wonder, what symptoms did to ou have and what is your experience. Please enlighten us.
In 1987 I was told I was “hiv” positive and unless I immediately began the promising new AZT treatment i would be dead within two years. I didn’t begin AZT. Not dead yet. The first of my countless friends to die of “AIDS” was almost two years later. He had been secretly taking AZT for months to treat the “hiv” “infection” he also kept secret from his multiple partners. Every single one of the countless friends and heroes I have lost to “AIDS” since 1989 has followed prescribed treatment for an often undetectable phantom. I was told I was “hiv” positive in 1987. I didn’t follow prescribed treatment. I am still alive. I am one of “those in the HIV does not exist group”. Checkmate.
Gloating to someone affected and for whom meds seem to work? (Beelieve me I am not a fan of western medicine or the medical community of unquestioned ideas and theories.) Kind of tasteless and crass. Early years to '94 friends died, as did thousands not on AZT (indeed a killer drug like so many are.)
Going off medication = immediate weight loss and high viral load, as recent effort re-confirmed. We are each individuals with individual body needs, abilities and reactions.
What proved/demonstrated to You that an often undetectable phantom that has failed every expectation, prediction, threat and promise made in the 1984 proposed THEORY of its existence that could/would prove the THEORY true is actually capable of and responsible for a sexually transmitted immune failure epidemic that hasn’t happened in the 40 years since? Why do You believe in “hiv”?
Gloating to someone affected and for whom meds seem to work? (Beelieve me I am not a fan of western medicine or the medical community of unquestioned ideas and theories.) Kind of tasteless and crass. Early years to '94 friends died, as did thousands not on AZT (indeed a killer drug like so many are.)
Going off medication = immediate weight loss and high viral load, as recent effort re-confirmed. We are each individuals with individual body needs, abilities and reactions.
I was in no way “gloating”. I was relating personal experience and fact and in no way intended to be insensitive. This issue has been my obsession since 1987. All I have searched for is evidence and proof that an often undetectable causes sexually transmitted immune failure epidemics and if so why hasn’t it spread outside of the culture that tests, treats and pre-treats for it? Why are the only people dying of AIDS forty years into this non-spreading sexually transmitted “epidemic” those who follow treatment? How did “hiv” mutate from a virus that killed within six months to two years after exposure into one that stays latent and undetected for up to 20 years? What proved to you that “hiv” causes illness? You asked for someone in the “hiv does not exist camp” who has been told they have hiv. I responded. Here are a few more. https://www.positivehell.com/ The one thing all of my friends and heroes who died of “AIDS” have in common is they all followed treatment I rejected. Not “gloating”. Only want to know why so many of my loved ones are dead. The hiv theory doesn’t explain it. The treatment does.
you stated “unless you have PERSONAL experience with HIV do not reply”. you also challenged if anyone in the “hiv does not exist” camp has ever been told they were hiv positive.
The Chemical Bases Of The Various AIDS Epidemics: Recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition. https://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html Everything predicted and expected by the “hiv/AIDS theory that would/could prove it true has failed while everything expected by dissenters to that theory has proven true. Not gloating.
non of that applies personally - without personal association "statistical" data broadsweeps, as a moral superiority stance of tarring and feathering ... inaccurate and damaging.
Just as every religion needs phantom demons and gods to manipulate and control the population, the “hiv” “virus” is the phantom used by the religious cult of virology to strike fear in the populace and encourage them to turn to the “god” of toxic deadly medication. BeLIEf in gods is the root of all evil.
Nobel Price winner Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR-test) in 1996:
"You know, if a postdoc were to write a review of their literature that showed without much doubt that HIV was the cause of AIDS, that guy would be famous. Now, there's 100,000 guys out there who had the opportunity. It's 10 years has passed. We've been waiting for this star postdoctoral fellow to distinguish himself forever and get a lifelong grant from Tony Fauci, but he hasn't shown up. No one has bothered to write a definitive review.
Any journal would take it. That right there proves that HIV does not cause AIDS by induction.
Then what have we seen the photograph and the photograph? Have we photographed AIDS? Do we have AIDS in a test tube? Because if we haven't proven HIV causes AIDS, then can we show that what we're calling HIV is an actual organism? Nobody has actually purified HIV. There's no little bottle of HIV anywhere on the planet that's just got HIV in it. They have cell lines that they think that is growing in. There are a lot of people who think it's not even there at all. But I mean, I wouldn't doubt that it's there. I think anything you can imagine is there somewhere."
From "Kary Mullis FULL interview with Gary Null - 1996"
Transcript: https://rentry.co/cpkny428
Source: https://odysee.com/@newstonedphilosopher:2/kary-mullis-full-interview-with-gary:9
Transcribed with https://github.com/openai/whisper/
Hiv hasn't been proven to exist. I don't understand the replies on this poll. HIV is not a virus, it's a fiction just like all viruses.
It doesn't seem to be the case that the human race can stop living submerged in fictions and fully embrace reality. Fictions are still useful, at least for power.
Remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The sentence "VIRUS-SO-AND-SO hasn't been proven to exist" is not a complete argument. Although it is true, as proven by the wonderful work of Christine Massey, and everyone in the world owes a debt of gratitude to this woman for her patience and her courage.
Is there a definitive argument? Probably not, because the whole thing is a multigenerational scam. There are many layers of emotions that protect the lie.
How close can we get to proving this claim, beyond any reasonable objection?
In practical terms, showing repeatedly that the studies to prove contagiousness or pathogenicity are flawed is very useful.
Also, it's good to repeat the impossibility to isolate anything, which is admitted by all microbiologists when admit that it can only be done by "cell culture," a highly dubious practice that belongs more to the world of a Circus than to the world of science.
But this has to be done in style. When offered a counterargument, it's better to avoid ad hominem fallacies (any variant) and straw man fallacies. And realize that it's possible that the sophist you are talking to will force your to use fallacies against him. One very common trick by experts is this one: the sophist will tweak his own argument if you focus on his argument and then accuse you of strawmanning his argument, throw a tantrum and leave the debate accusing you of being a flat-earther. Which is poor form, but sophists, like trolls, do not care about poor form.
Last, the problem of replication. This is tricky. Some people make the mistake of using a flawed definition of "science" that includes the idea that replicability is necessary for an experiment to be considered a valid scientific experiment. In the very restrictive modern view of the scientific method, only falsifiability is necessary. (And this is problematic too, but let's not go there yet.) This is because scientists can replicate errors too. And then they mislead themselves with too many errors being perfectly identical to each other, so the original experiment and its interpretation must be true. Jump to conclusion. Replication is a very good sign, at best. And the lack of replication is also a good sign: something is wrong, either in the new experiment or in the original experiment. For our topic, it's good to show that the original experiments cannot be replicated, or that if they are replicating something false. We have to emphasize the flaws and the problems with the interpretation. And not all opponents are open to that. There is contumacy in scientists.
All this is too much work. Long and arid dissertations to prove the errors of our opponents. Many of whom are perfectly aware of the problems, and they don't care, because they have their own strategy against the tyranny. Which is likely to fail, sadly.
I recommend to study Popper and his critics. David Stove in particular. The main problem of all natural sciences since the 1940s is that they have been thoroughly corrupted and possessed by the evil spirit of politics. There's been very little science, and too much propaganda.
I think I heard David Rasnick explaining his opinion that science is more like art and engineering is more like an industrial process, and the problem is that scientists and doctors are being used as engineers, and instructed to study things and answer to questions like engineers. And that's why science is stuck. There is no room for nuance, for honest discussion, for different lines of research.
I agree with you but couldn't have put it more succinctly. I would add that as a woman of seventy with four children and nine grandchildren, so many experiences don't add up to the "facts" as presented to us. It requires bravery and courage to go the path less travelled. Or even to live in the parallel universe that I seem to live in.
I have one technical objection: there is no such thing as 'natural science'. That's a tautology! Science is the study of nature. That's the definition. :-)
I respectfully disagree, but I'm not going to enter into that jungle here, as I've already written too much.
There are far too many definitions of science, and I'm not narcissistic enough to write a new one.
I just think that the term "natural sciences" in the context I used the other day in the comment above simply refers to the kind of work that people used to be happy to do, but not anymore. That explains my angle in all that.
People rarely think in all that has been lost to political interests.
Why do you think the entire Sino and Hindu-sphere have taken over this so-called "science" in America, and American universities? It's very very visible where I live, and very disturbing, because so many of these people have been "imported" since, say, 2000, 9/11, actually, but stepped up greatly since 2020. I wonder if this importation has been intentionally done, by hidden-hand elites, so that they can keep dolling out their toxins and occult poisons engineered by obedient peoples whose love of (worship of) numeracy and love of material gain/material status (to please domineering parents/ancestors) outweighs their belief in anything higher.
They're not sending their best. LOL!
In western countries there are very smart individuals, who quickly get invited to Asian countries, where the industry is.
Regardless of how good of a student a peson is, if they end up in administration or in legislation... then they're not that smart.
The dynamic of inventors moving from one empire to the projected next empire is a historical pattern. Scientists are slow-movers. They have to be kidnapped, basically. Since 1945 or so, scientific development has been discouraged, throttled down. Ideas are an obstacle for politicians. Perhaps that explains the "racial" replacement: they want scientists who obey the rules and stick to the eugenics plan.
Well said. And a new word for me: contumacy.
If viruses don't exist (and I'm not saying I know either way) then what's a flu? What's a cold? What's herpes? Something has to cause these illnesses. My opinion is that we should not necessarily resort to medical templates when dealing with diseases, regardless of what causes them.
Here's a question: who denies that bacteria exist? I am 99.99% certain that they do. So, if they exist, then other types of microbe can exist.
I have had experience with homeopathy last year - the first time ever. And I found it effective. So to me, the solution is more important than the problem. Although at the end of the day, I do want to know what causes what physiological condition. So, I do want to know whether viruses exist.
Watch Dr. Sam Bailey's videos (website) and you ll seek your answers. Spoiler alert:people get sick but it's a detoxification process and there are no viruses!
Am tending to agree with you more and more. Glad for the internet in that we can get so much info on things. Just have to keep ourselves as aware as we can of the lies that are also out there just as much, likely more.
It’s as real as Santa Claus.
IMHO HIV has not been shown to exist in a way that it can be identified consistently in isolation. Hence the two-test-contra to diagnose an individual.
Feel that we should throw everything to date away and start again!
The absolute propaganda surrounding this issue is as hard to believe as the ‘safe and effective’ crap around the jabs. But the vested interests do appear to be floating to the top making it harder to ignore the obvious con. If only there were investigators like the OxyContin team to bring the truth home so that it cannot be denied or ignored.
There is no such thing as a virus. Please take a look att all those well educated people that doesn´t find a single proof of any virus´existence, Why should anyone believe in this virus-nonsense? Wake up! Educate yourself and live a more healthy life without fear of bullshit.
Totally agree! Many are waking up now as on the back of the fake pandemic, they are trying to bring in other nonsense. Getting ridiculous here in the UK..
I want to know what in the world “HIV” really is.?? Anybody. Some smart people say hiv doesn’t exist no existence of a virus. Some people say it exist and causes aids. Now with Covid vaccines they say it causes vaids. If people with long covid can get better with different type of therapies, can hiv/aids people get better with the same therapies?
I recommend this book:
The origin, persistence and failings of HIV/AIDS theory
https://archive.org/details/originpersistenc0000baue
There is no reason to think there is a pathogen called HIV. Your book does much to prove this. Henry Bauer's book, The origin, persistence and failings of HIV/AIDS theory, goes even further.
Even Duesberg's book Inventing the AIDS Virus proves that you don't need to consider a pathogen to understand the causes of AIDS, even though he never declared that HIV was BS.
I can only go by what Montagnier said. 'LAV/BRU' was a dud. IDAV/LAI was a livewire but only becuase it was contaminated by mycoplasma. Any mycoplasma contamination should render any experiment invalid. Contaminated IDAV/LAI then contaminated LAV/BRU which became 'active' and labelled M2T-/B. M2T-/B became HTLVIII-B which became HIV-1. https://www.nature.com/articles/363466a0
I have written a thriller based upon my 4 years research into HIV called A Dive Into Darkness - available here - https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-dive-into-darkness-paul-franks/1145527746
and here https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dive-Into-Darkness-Paul-Franks/dp/191742504X
Here's the blurb:
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It's March 29th, 2027 and the French Presidential election is looking more like a coronation than a contest. The favourite, Hervé Parcelle, is wondering what, if anything, can go wrong.
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As she struggles to track down the perpetrators responsible for her father's demise, she uncovers the biggest medical-science scandal of all time and a conspiracy that has deceived the world for forty years.
I have a constantly changing attitude of open exploration going on. It is not a 'mind' exercise alone, it is experiential. HIV, and AIDS, are stories created with malign intent. The narrative fearfully implanted in us is false. There is no such thing as HIV as explained by the authorities, and AIDS has been conveniently tagged on as a wide syndrome (catch-all) of physical symptoms (classed as 'opportunistic infections due low immunity caused by HIV) which can be experienced, in whatever manifestation, by anyone. But of course personal illness is unique to the individual according to their own make-up and lifestyle and exposure to toxins, and the current healthiness of their 'maintenance and repair' mechanisms.
I am in the front-line of determination of what is true and false as I got labelled HIV in 2010, and believed in the testing enough to commence taking Atripla ARV'S for a solid 13years until I reduced dosage slowly.... and took my last tablet on Xmas day 2023.
By that time I had had nearly 4 years of researching the truth of 'covid' ,'HIV' and of generally coming to be looking askance at the notion of viruses. I was convinced enough that I had been screwed over by the HIV Industry/Big pHARMa/those behind a global agenda ( the satanic bunch of weasels).
The thing is, I am currently very ill. My gut is severely disturbed, I am bleeding, I am anaemic and dehydrated, I am weak, depleted. Hey, it looks like (for those who believe in HIV/AIDS) I am good material to use as confirmation of their belief, and how stupid I was to have abandoned the 'life-saving' ARV's!
I am following various protocols, my very own lifestyle regime, (keeping allopathic NHS system at a distance, just availing of their services on an ad hoc basis...eg. getting free blood tests)... taking charge to get myself back on track healthy.
I dont believe in the 'thing' HIV as promoted, but I do wonder how the ARV's have harmed me... and now am I experiencing their legacy ?...as their suppressive effect has been lifted off.
One of their purported mechanisms of action is to interfere with reverse-transcriptease of the thing 'HIV' as a retro-virus...which to my limited understanding seems to constitute an interference with my DNA make-up per se. So I hold in the back of my mind a possible deeper consequence post-ARV's sequela...which is in the mix of causation of my suddenly getting so acutely ill like this from 6 weeks
ago.
The fact is that blood tests 2 months after ceasing ARV intake showed that the overall my organ/systems (kidney, liver , thyroid functions etc) were 'normal' enough, but, my blood amount and quality was lacking. 2 months after that I had extensive dental treatment (including removal of 5 mercury amalgam fillings), followed by surgery, (removal of tooth, and scraping of bone cavitations) and unfortunate break of sinus membrane causing me to get sinusitis. The trauma of this has kept me feeling below par ever since.
Dont want to bore with all these details, but real physical trauma I have undergone since stopping the ARV's. The other thing in the equation is my past history of acute ulcerative colitis over 7 years or so, which I cleared, and have not had symptoms of for over 30years.
My current bowel symptoms dont correspond to the one's I had then....but my bowel is my weak spot.
So, I give all these details as context. I am in the midst of a health challenge, and I am wishing to convey the nuance of my dealing with it when I lived with psychological imprint and participated in the 'HIV' club given I was contaminated with 'HIV', and I have insidious unknown effects of the ARV'S
I cannot completely dispel that 'HIV' is SOMEthing, but whatever it might it is not known to humans, or maybe only to a few of the malevolent kind. ( like the ones who came up with the idea to distract us by saying/pretending there is 'HIV' in the covid jabs).
This might be a bit of a ramble, but as regards the poll I am going through process which involves a constant evolution my own 'other' take on HIV/AIDs, next level beyond generally being tidy and saying 'it' doesnt exist. It is all much more complex, and I think biology, and how the body works, has severe shortfall of understanding. Truth is so evasive...we can but try our best to understand and find pathway to optimal health regardless of all the obstacled.
Cheers, let me send 'as is'......
I "have HIV". It was on and off again with meds... I didn't want to be on meds, and I doubted the story of HIV, and Viruses in general... This last round of meds, I quit because COVID reared it's ugly head and showed how stoopid the medical world was... However, I got Cryptococcal Meningitis, due to my T-Cells being non existent. Where did they go? They claim "HIV ate them" (LOL)... When you're sick it's a whole different story. I still think HIV and Viruses are a fiction, and there's other explanations for illnesses, but I'm too poor to experiment with alternative ideas, or pay for an alternative practitioner. So I stepped back and I just take their pills. I'm not sure it's helping me, but they say "the numbers" are good, and the Cryptococcal Meningitis is improving. I sure wish I could NOT feel like shit all the time. If HIV does not exist, then WHAT ERASED MY T-CELLS?
I hear you!!
This coming January will be 35 years for me. I’ve had the distinct honor of taking faucis life saving AZT, but I had that figured out in under a month. I’ve pretty much did most of the “ legacy” meds during the 90’s and was able to figure those out as well. But in ‘91 a friend of mine told me that the hiv “ virus “ ( I still believed in that term then) was the only “ virus “ that changes its protein shell every 15 minutes and I found that to be rather odd and it’s always been at the back of my mind ever since.
And they STILL can’t get the origin story straight, first it was patient “ zero “ ( a misnomer) and then it was the Central Africans ( notice how all new diseases seem to start there) and they got it from eating infected monkey meat. Now, I’m not saying it’s their National dish they eat daily, but they’ve been eating monkey meat ( bush meat) for perhaps thousands of years, and if in fact it came from monkeys, #1 - they would’ve been dead a long time ago, #2 - they would have developed a natural immunity to it by now, or #3 - word on the street would’ve been to not eat it. They may be “ primitive “ by our standards , but they’re not stupid. And then there’s the case of the Belgian scientist in the Congo in the 60’s who said he didn’t use chimpanzees as his source for his works, but there’s photographic proof that he used 100’s of them ( see the YouTube video The Origins of Aids). And it’s funny how the first cases recorded were in ‘78 in manhattan and LA and SF, but the first cases in Africa weren’t found till around’82.
And according to Wikipedia, the map they show of its spread went from Africa to the Caribbean and entered the US from the south, and while the south does have a high concentration of hiv cases, again, it was discovered in the 3 cities that I just mentioned first. Then there’s the case of a US soldier who died of a mysterious illness in the late 50’s/early 60’s ( I think that’s when) so they froze him and then not to long ago thawed him out and now HE had it. And last year I had the “ news” on in the background and they said a 9 year old boy in ‘78 had it. Then just recently they said it mostly likely “ jumped species” sometime in the 30’s…………
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I now do agree with the theory that this was given to us by the hepatitis B vaccines here in the states and via the smallpox vaccines for the Africans. It seems to coincide with its appearance, and I’ve never believed in coincidence. And I also agree with the other posters, we still have yet to see an actual photo of hiv, or any other “virus “. And I’m also starting to question if I even have hiv or not, there’s a theory that it may well be a highly adaptable parasite? But either way, I’m highly suspect. They keep telling us about the “ race for the cure”, there are now 112 meds on the market- looks like they’re in a real hurry doesn’t it? I also now believe that hiv was merely the “ warm up act” and we are now at the “ main event “ if you will, meaning scaring the shit out of us to get us to take their toxic shit.
I’ve been fortunate and I didn’t get the “ flu” upon my initial infection and I’ve never had an “ aids related” sickness, in fact, the only time I’ve ever been sick is from the meds. In 97/98 faucis replacement at the nih “ dr” Jeanne marrazzo was my hiv doctor here in Seattle, at first she was great, excellent bedside manner etc, but in 98 I was placed on nelfinavir ( draino for humans, it will clear your pipes on both ends - simultaneously) but I couldn’t keep anything down or in for that matter so she told me to go on the BRAT diet ( bananas, rice, apples and toast) and they only thing that I saw of any nutritional value was the banana, I told her that’s not quality of life and Im supposed to live off this for the rest of my life? I wanted something else, she told me to keep taking them, I said no, she said you HAVE to keep taking them, again I said no, she then got irritated and said you CANNOT STOP TAKING THEM!! So I said if these pills are so damned good then YOU fucking take them and I hung up on her. At my next appointment I saw her there in the background, but needless to say, I had a new doctor LOL. And now that she’s in charge of the nih, I think we might be in for some trouble……
Personally, I would completely avoid any hiv shot, I’ve heard from a few other survivors that there’s AZT in them (?) but my main avoidance is from the fact that the “ shots” are made by using crisper technology, and that’s what is used by Ba’al gates to make the lettuce and tomatoes produce his mRNA shit for the “ vaccine hesitant “.
I have recently walked away from western “ medicine “ as of this year due to being refused medical treatment ( I got the 2 murderna shots) and got sick of hearing “ I don’t know “ so I’m taking matters into my own hands ( again) and have been having great success without the white coat cartel , I actually found a lot of good information here on Substack from doctors and nurses who dare buck the system . I empathize with you with your meningitis, that has to be rough. While I’m not claiming that I can cure you, but if you want, I can pass along some information to you that’s actually helped me out. I’ve subscribed to you, so send me a private message if you’d like.
Stay strong, we WILL get through this one way or another.
I’d love to talk to you personally about your experience if you’d be willing. Email me at walkerpercyfan at gmail if so. Thank you.
Sure, I’m at
ihateseattle@proton.me
( all variants of my name were taken so I had to come up with something completely different lol).😝
Thank you, I will email you later today.
I also wanted to comment on your Gilead article, but it’s behind a subscription wall ☹️
There should be an option on the email to unlock the post if you haven’t taken advantage of that feature for a previous paid post. Also, if you want to comment directly to me, you can just reply to the emailed post without paying for a subscription. Hope this helps!
Watch the extensive 3 part series of Dr. Sam Bailey, the blond haired woman doctor. You will see that your T cells have nothing to do with HIV because nothing can depleat them. Especially a non existent virus like HIV. The pills will destroy your liver, kidneys and bones. Watch Dr Sam Bailey on Odysee or her website.
There's a whole bunch of so-called autoimmune diseases that manifest as discrepancies in T-cell dynamics.
Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors and typically declared to be 'highly specific', but in reality the naturally-occurring nucleosides are intrinsic to just about every biochemical reaction in the body.
So there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain T-cell problems and there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain how such medicines are effective in restoring T-cell numbers.
Look into the book The One Minute Cure (think you can find an audio version/pdf? you can listen to online).
Also, maybe watch a few Dr Morse videos on morsestv.com. He encourages eating fruit heal us, balance our lymph system and other things. Bless you, man.
We're you homosexual if you don't mind me asking?
Viruses are "identified" by contaminating samples. The nonsense that there are these things that are pathogenic to some and harmless to others is the work of virologists who cannot admit that the paradigm under which they operate is a fraud *COUGHDuesbergCOUGH*. You need only look to the Perth Group to understand this.
Did not Kary Mullis say that PCR could not detect any illness in the body? Personally I have doubts that any virus exists.
Unsure at the moment. Leaning towards harmless passenger virus. What I do know is that humans seem to allow themselves to be manipulated by authorities and that we appear to be in a movement towards deliberately reducing human lifespan and procreation.
Doubt it exists since it hasn't been isolated neither are the p24 components associated with it unique to "HIV" so it's probably just another scam.
So much to say as a person WITH experience of HIV - as its been labelled, and thus treated.
Now poll the HIV-does-not-exist crowd for number within the group who are diagnosed as having HIV. My guess is 0.
Preferring facts over polls - the domain of adolescent females (fact: a particularly cruel sorority decreeing who is “in” and who is “out” polling opinion typically serves a preconceived agenda, and is worded accordingly. But you know that.
Opinion being the lowest form of consciousness, polling opinion at best gains a read on public perception, today skewed heavily by AI/ online and more current algorithms designed to implant desired corporatocracy’s agenda.
For those of the HIV does not exist group, please supply the cause of sudden illness to death of millions in the early days of this “situation.”
Then please, in your express wisdom, supply the cause of personal experience, of 35lb weight loss; muscle loss; excess anxiety; and loss of well-exercised patience, being described as “having the patience of Job.”
Poll proposal for knowledge on HIV -
Test Awareness of HIV
… answer Yes or No / True or False
HIV was studied and manufactured by American Health Institute/s under the direction of Anthony Fauci.
HIV was administered clandestinely by American Health Institute/s as a component of Hepatitis Vaccine heavily pushed to the Gay community.
The Hepatitis Vaccine targeted the Gay community was testing for producing intended illness and death effectiveness - as part of the virology-bio-weapon program.
The Gay community was chosen as the target group because no one would object or be concerned of illness and death of this group.
Pro and con HIV virus observer groups adhere to “lifestyle (i.e. drug use) as causation.
*(Leaving unexplained the numbers in the “HIV+” group who do not use drugs. Regardless the “lifestyle as causation” theorists persist.)
Through reliable knowledge, Virus deniers ( while first-person removed) are able to explain the source of HIV associated disease/ ailments.
Read the refutation scientific paper of Eleni Papadopoulos Eleopoulos:HIV a virus like no other, that refutes Luc Montagnier's 1st isolation paper of HIV. He never isolated anything and all the HIV test and confirmatory Western blot tests are based on his paper. Which means: based on what virus do those test react to? Well, the HIV tests react to 70 different conditions. Even if a woman gets pregnant, the test gets positive. The are no viruses ever proven to exist. No isolation ever happened. Stop with copypasting the Rockefeller medical course materials. We don't fear the lies. Enough of this nonsense.
Your disdain for fact is appalling - as I wrote (no copypaste) how dare you refute MY LIVED EXPERIENCE!!
provide the cause of the associated illnesses - unless you have PERSONAL experience with HIV do not reply
There's a whole bunch of so-called autoimmune diseases that manifest as discrepancies in T-cell dynamics.
Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors and typically declared to be 'highly specific', but in reality the naturally-occurring nucleosides are intrinsic to just about every biochemical reaction in the body.
So there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain T-cell problems and there doesn't have to be 'a virus' to explain how such medicines are effective in restoring T-cell numbers.
“So-called autoimmune diseases” implies they are not that. The person suffering the associated symptoms of a categorised “disease”, are not unfortunately, so-called symptoms, they are real causing misery, pain, suffering and death. More than readable data these are real life undebatable facts.
Propagating the virus/ no-virus debate without presenting the real cause of the “discrepancies” occurs to those affected by the presence of the discrepancy/s (quaint word) as a luxury for the entitled and unaffected, lacking personal experience with the manifestations of life altering “discrepancies.” Debating validity of the label “virus” as the source cause for the T-cell dynamic discrepancies is a tempest in a teacup - granted a large teacup, in need of skilled tea leaf readers. Greater attention to correctly identify causation would be welcome to interrupt the distraction of debating virus / no-virus and lead to a productive outcome of healing “discrepancies” and interrupting the nefarious and invisible (now becoming visible) cause - global de-population programs instigated by those in power, unseen.
Known cause, now touted as viral, is the billion dollar word alive in every person’s consciousness, as designed by government and drug cartels, the inventors of disease agents with which to infect the population. Linking directly to then market the savour-solution as the known effective treatment. which brings us back to your statement:
“Drugs which mimic nucleosides called 'nucleoside analogues' are marketed as reverse transcriptase inhibitors …”
Make No Mistake -
Manifesting symptoms of disease - autoimmune or others - has a cause, which is mostly a manufactured narrative. The term virus is a useful marketing tool aligned with cause in the public psyche to be exploited, Capriciously planted to dominate and control the fear-narrative to elicit the intended behaviour; relinquish personal autonomy to those dominating and controlling our lives, currently an unprecedented and relentless power play by those manipulating our governments.
One of many voices for No-virus:
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/there-is-no-virus-there-is-no-lab?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
This writer provides extensive background information to the origins of our psychopathological cultures wreaking the havoc we experience daily. Delivered by those in control of institutions and government.
1) I say "autoimmune" for lack of a better term, although losing T-cells is pretty much an autoimmune problem even though the so-called HIV syndrome is not usually referred to as such. Maybe that's because "autoimmune diseases" are typically considered by default to be idiopathic.
2) Indeed saying "discrepancy" was a mistake, I was thinking of "dyscrasia".
3) The no-virus folks are so singularly focused it could almost seem as if by by design: just say "meth & poppers" and go back to sleep.
A test is not a personal experience. The refutation is from a worldwide known biologist doctor, Eleni Papadopoulos. Additionally, I have read Luc Montagnier paper, he never isolated HIV. I wonder, what symptoms did to ou have and what is your experience. Please enlighten us.
stated in my first comment -
In 1987 I was told I was “hiv” positive and unless I immediately began the promising new AZT treatment i would be dead within two years. I didn’t begin AZT. Not dead yet. The first of my countless friends to die of “AIDS” was almost two years later. He had been secretly taking AZT for months to treat the “hiv” “infection” he also kept secret from his multiple partners. Every single one of the countless friends and heroes I have lost to “AIDS” since 1989 has followed prescribed treatment for an often undetectable phantom. I was told I was “hiv” positive in 1987. I didn’t follow prescribed treatment. I am still alive. I am one of “those in the HIV does not exist group”. Checkmate.
Gloating to someone affected and for whom meds seem to work? (Beelieve me I am not a fan of western medicine or the medical community of unquestioned ideas and theories.) Kind of tasteless and crass. Early years to '94 friends died, as did thousands not on AZT (indeed a killer drug like so many are.)
Going off medication = immediate weight loss and high viral load, as recent effort re-confirmed. We are each individuals with individual body needs, abilities and reactions.
Goody for you.
What proved/demonstrated to You that an often undetectable phantom that has failed every expectation, prediction, threat and promise made in the 1984 proposed THEORY of its existence that could/would prove the THEORY true is actually capable of and responsible for a sexually transmitted immune failure epidemic that hasn’t happened in the 40 years since? Why do You believe in “hiv”?
The Chemical Bases of The Various AIDS Epidemics. https://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html
Gloating to someone affected and for whom meds seem to work? (Beelieve me I am not a fan of western medicine or the medical community of unquestioned ideas and theories.) Kind of tasteless and crass. Early years to '94 friends died, as did thousands not on AZT (indeed a killer drug like so many are.)
Going off medication = immediate weight loss and high viral load, as recent effort re-confirmed. We are each individuals with individual body needs, abilities and reactions.
Goody for you.
I was in no way “gloating”. I was relating personal experience and fact and in no way intended to be insensitive. This issue has been my obsession since 1987. All I have searched for is evidence and proof that an often undetectable causes sexually transmitted immune failure epidemics and if so why hasn’t it spread outside of the culture that tests, treats and pre-treats for it? Why are the only people dying of AIDS forty years into this non-spreading sexually transmitted “epidemic” those who follow treatment? How did “hiv” mutate from a virus that killed within six months to two years after exposure into one that stays latent and undetected for up to 20 years? What proved to you that “hiv” causes illness? You asked for someone in the “hiv does not exist camp” who has been told they have hiv. I responded. Here are a few more. https://www.positivehell.com/ The one thing all of my friends and heroes who died of “AIDS” have in common is they all followed treatment I rejected. Not “gloating”. Only want to know why so many of my loved ones are dead. The hiv theory doesn’t explain it. The treatment does.
you stated “unless you have PERSONAL experience with HIV do not reply”. you also challenged if anyone in the “hiv does not exist” camp has ever been told they were hiv positive.
The Chemical Bases Of The Various AIDS Epidemics: Recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition. https://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html Everything predicted and expected by the “hiv/AIDS theory that would/could prove it true has failed while everything expected by dissenters to that theory has proven true. Not gloating.
non of that applies personally - without personal association "statistical" data broadsweeps, as a moral superiority stance of tarring and feathering ... inaccurate and damaging.
Just as every religion needs phantom demons and gods to manipulate and control the population, the “hiv” “virus” is the phantom used by the religious cult of virology to strike fear in the populace and encourage them to turn to the “god” of toxic deadly medication. BeLIEf in gods is the root of all evil.